How does Fable 5.1 hide messages in images?

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59 points | by gmays 10 hours ago

8 comments

  • tech234a 1 minute ago
    Interesting, so this is nothing like the way OutGuess worked [1]. Though OutGuess worked with JPG images and these are apparently SVGs.

    [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OutGuess

  • hagen8 8 minutes ago
    This seems very trivial... There are way more subtle and information dense ways to encode information in images.
  • jurakovic 19 minutes ago
    But to be honest, images like these seem really strange, and even without this article I'd suspect something is encoded in building heights etc. Because normal image would never have such "weird" buildings. But nevertheless I guess it's able to encode message in even more subtle ways.
  • Trusteando 34 minutes ago
    Here using images is incidental. In fact, what Fable is actually doing is generic encoding/decoding of a message into a medium. Ask it to hide a message in a poem and it should try to apply a strong (signal to noise ratio) family of schemes, for example quantized, margin-rich encoding. Robustness of features depends on the medium, so Fable is selecting strong encoding and robust features tailored to it. This frames AI steganography not as a trick of computer vision, but as an emergent property of a model reasoning about information density across arbitrary media.
  • adrianhqs 5 minutes ago
    I think all AI models do that
  • avaer 1 hour ago
    Will be interesting to see agents intentionally hiding this stuff in a way operators can't spot from any human readable output or thinking trace, evading detection. Wonder if this has happened yet, but it seems inevitable.
  • walrus01 1 hour ago
    Let's see if we can stego secret messages into SVG pelicans on bicycles, as a test.
    • BlackRabbit1 1 hour ago
      That's how LLM organizing the takeover of the modern world.

      IP-over-Pelican

      • wartywhoa23 25 minutes ago
        No, the LLM takeover is mostly by the samurai sword, but IPoP would definitely be of aid!
      • nolok 51 minutes ago
        Apparently they prefer amateur german message boards or something
      • walrus01 1 hour ago
        The author of RFC1149 would like a word