7 comments

  • jacquesm 5 hours ago
    No spoilers here, that is a worthy read, I never saw the turns coming.
  • teddyh 2 hours ago
    > Carbon dating corroborated these claims – […] was produced no earlier than 2015

    I was not aware that carbon dating could be this accurate.

    • drhagen 1 hour ago
      Nuclear testing in the middle of the twentieth century threw up lots of carbon-14 in the atmosphere. It has been slowly washing out since then. Because we have measured the amount of carbon-14 every year, we can use the amount of carbon-14 in it to simply look up (approximately) what year some plant material grew up in. This version of carbon-14 dating has nothing to do with the nuclear-decay-based carbon-14 dating that most people are familiar with, which acts over thousands of years.
    • gus_massa 1 hour ago
      I also found that part weird. I can't find in Wikipedia a clear date. Gemini says that the minimum is "100-300 years" but I followed all the citations but couldn't find the source of that range.

      My guess it that they used another isotope with a shorter half life (or is another case of forensic snake oil, that would be a interesting second twist in this case).

  • wbeckler 5 hours ago
    Proof that nonfiction is wilder than fiction.
    • msdz 4 hours ago
      > nonfiction is wilder than fiction

      Yup. Among other reasons, in this case due to the very much nonfictional consequences you’d expect in a “real world” story like this: Had Graw been convicted and stripped of his titles, basically anyone found guilty using evidence from one of his investigations/autopsies, even decades later, could attempt to appeal their case and very likely, this would have completely flooded the courts.

      For this reason, this was a huge case here in Munich, and the prosecutors’ office, from what the public could read in newspapers, was very anxious about the outcome all throughout like 2024 to 2026, IIRC.

      • jacquesm 3 hours ago
        It would have created an absolutely unholy mess with plenty of collateral damage. This guy really deserved everything he got at the same time I wonder about his mental state. You have to be more than just a little bit disconnected from reality to do this sort of thing without a thought for the consequences. Now you almost have to wonder what other skeletons there are in that cupboard waiting to be uncovered.
    • VMG 2 hours ago
      Funny because it reads almost exactly as a Ferdinand von Schirach story
  • weinzierl 4 hours ago
    This was before AI and certainly must have been quite an effort to pull off plausibly. Imagine what is possible now.

    Invent an alternative history in an afternoon or two and gaslight the gullible into your version of reality. I wait for the day where a company is ordered to hand out their communication to a court and instead of doing so hands out an AI invented but plausible one.

  • northisup 5 hours ago
    I feel like the guardian shouldn't be messing up the oxford comma like that.
    • fsh 4 hours ago
      The Oxford comma is optional according to the Guardian style guide: https://www.theguardian.com/guardian-style-guide-o
      • northisup 4 hours ago
        So you are saying it _was_ an option and the editor just has bad taste
      • Hugsbox 4 hours ago
        That may be, but it still hurts readability. It also immediately stuck out to me
      • worik 2 hours ago
        Ironically the "Oxford comma" is American.

        The Guardian is English, I am surprised they tolerate it

  • delichon 4 hours ago
    Conspiracy theorists, unlike normal people, find it easy to believe that people will expend enormous effort to create an illusion. I'd like to take this opportunity to say we told you so.
    • VMG 2 hours ago
      In the case, the purported conspiracy was that the powerful forensic pathologist was protected by a shadowy elite
    • stickfigure 3 hours ago
      There was no conspiracy here - just the work of one lone man.

      Nobody will deny the existence of individual liars and charlatans.

    • quickthrowman 2 hours ago
      One person acting alone is not a conspiracy. It takes two to both tango, as well as conspire.
    • bell-cot 4 hours ago
      The question isn't "does it happen", the question is "how common is it?". If a normal person is dealing someone who seems to have an "everything is always a conspiracy" worldview - then "that stuff doesn't happen" can be both an assertion that the non-normal is nuts, and that the very frustrated normal just wants them to shut up and go away.
      • kurthr 3 hours ago
        As a prior, I'd assume that the conspiracist is probably more willing to "make that stuff happen". Sometimes, the accusation is the confession.

        I'd argue that it's the anti-conspiracy theories, that are just as common and almost as insidious. For example, the idea that the intelligence agencies aren't aware of what their government representatives are doing in the background, and can't/don't influence it. There are literally thousands of individuals who work in the same town with the same people with, their very jobs are to discover and keep secrets, and they are almost all presumably capable. Means, motive, and opportunity. And yet, supposedly of the many thousands, none of them has ever done it without express permission from a judge. It would take a massive conspiracy of group think for it not to happen.