13 comments

  • cm2187 45 minutes ago
    Excellent. From now on all kids will become linux natives. The decade of the linux desktop is coming!
    • thelastgallon 20 minutes ago
      Linux phones, Linux gaming machines, Linux on Desktop and Laptops, Linux VR/AR, Linux watches, etc.
      • close04 11 minutes ago
        And then the exception will evaporate overnight.
        • shuwix 0 minutes ago
          One gotta love politicians and their "solutions" and their longevity.
  • rbbydotdev 0 minutes ago
    this bill fixes nothing. if you wanted to prevent harm from the internet you would start with proper privacy laws. but we all know why that will never happen
  • nottorp 0 minutes ago
    Linux?

    Or also BSD, ReactOS, hobby OS #24562 etc... ?

  • anigbrowl 1 hour ago
    Weird how the people who habitually complain about government are conspicuously silent when it delivers something they wanted.
    • missinglugnut 57 minutes ago
      What do you want people to say? "Yay, the terrible law that threatened to make free computing illegal has an exemption for Linux. Now we only have to deal with unwanted mandatory age verification on all our non-linux devices. I'm so happy."
    • PowerElectronix 4 minutes ago
      They shouldn't need to pass this if they didn't pass age verification at all.

      This is not a good thing, it's a very small patch for a very bad thing.

    • throwawayqqq11 45 minutes ago
      This is not wanted, its duct taping a bad idea even further and i half-wish MS/apple/co sue against it. This may cause lawmakers to bounce back in the wrong direction though.
    • Frannky 29 minutes ago
      A lot of people are not stupid. Age verification is a backdoor for control. I read and did not even bother to comment, it's like yay, that horrendous thing they were trying to do now it's not applied to everyone. I'm also sorry for California, such a beautiful place and full of wonderful people. I hope it will recover one day.
    • edot 1 hour ago
      Yeah, this is fantastic. Should be top of the page. I’m honestly shocked, I’ve fully internalized that everything is corrupt and beholden to big corporations. Somehow, a victory! Looks like the Linux Foundation and EFF pushed back, but they’re not exactly big. Good job, California lawmakers!
      • zoobab 1 hour ago
        Not a victory, Android is still covered.
        • qmarchi 1 hour ago
          Hard to argue that it's open source...
          • catlikesshrimp 1 hour ago
            Graphene should qualify. That would be a good incentive for kids to learn to root a mobile device and run graphene on it.
            • harvey9 19 minutes ago
              I used the web based installer and it was so easy that we would be complaining the kids are not really learning anything by doing it!
    • carodgers 15 minutes ago
      "Delivers something they wanted" is the most bizarre way possible to phrase "followed through with the majority of a reprehensible agenda and were forced to carve out an exception due to technical constraints and massive blowback."
    • Pavilion2095 47 minutes ago
      The age verification requirement wasn't dropped, what are you talking about? Linux getting an exemption isn't a win.
    • antonvs 56 minutes ago
      It delivered an arbitrary exception to a stupid law. If all someone wanted was an exception for Linux, they don’t understand the problem with this law.
      • cwillu 19 minutes ago
        “California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law — software distributed under the GPL, MIT, BSD, and Apache licenses are exempt”
    • squigz 1 hour ago
      Indeed, this is very generous of them, and we should be thankful.
      • catlikesshrimp 59 minutes ago
        Sounds more like they did their job well, not that they are generous.
  • gspr 37 minutes ago
    Rest of the headline: "software distributed under the GPL, MIT, BSD, and Apache licenses are exempt"

    And then further into the text it's clarified that there also isn't a specific list of open licenses, as the terrible headline would have you believe, but instead a description of what is considered open

    With the caveat that I haven't read the actual legal text, this seems to be an eminently sensible law (it'd be better if it weren't needed, but here we are).

    In summary: not a Linux exemption, and not an exemption for a specific list of licenses either.

  • conartist6 34 minutes ago
    I love that Microsoft is committing a crime by continuing to let me use Win10
  • phendrenad2 31 minutes ago
    I'm starting to warm up to this law. So many loopholes. Nothing to worry about. I think California's incompetence has finally progressed from "proposes bad laws" to "proposes and botches the implementation of bad laws"
    • arjie 7 minutes ago
      If you had an agent in the legislature wouldn’t you prefer exactly one of this form? My ideal representative is able to command support from diverse interests and subtly damages those opposed to me while subtly advantaging the principles I believe in - making compromises necessary to move incrementally to a state more aligned with what I wish it to be.

      The reality is that many people want bad laws. Without the support of those people one does not get elected.

      This use of people for power while de-facto disenfranchising them is pretty widespread already. For instance, some half of California and Texas are responsible for their strength in the electoral college while simultaneously being entirely disenfranchised when electing the President. Good technique.

  • catlikesshrimp 1 hour ago
    Can someone the exemption for browser extensions and other contained software? My best guess is that the OS > Browser are reporting the age already, and the browser extensions will also use that "signal". Is this close enough?

    " third carve-out excludes storefronts distributing extensions or add-ons that run exclusively inside a host application, which takes browser extension stores out of scope."

  • kersplody 1 hour ago
    Cool now let's exempt hobbyists from the 3-D printer must certify you are not printing gun parts pending legislation.
    • rgmerk 16 minutes ago
      A quick search suggests that 3D-printed guns being used in crime is an actual, for-real, and growing problem.

      I take it that you wouldn't be OK with somebody building a uranium enrichment facility in their backyard for their hobby reactor. So there is a line to be drawn on where people's freedom to tinker ends; it's just a question of where you draw it.

      Personally, I think given there is actual documented, non-isolated problem with 3D printed guns being used for violent crime, there's a debate to be had that's more sophisticated than "REGULATION BAD".

      • tancop 9 minutes ago
        My position on anything is "REGULATION BAD" when it's against individuals and non commercial/open source projects, "REGULATION GOOD" for massive corporations, and "REGULATION MAYBE GOOD NEEDS NUANCED DEBATE" for anything in between.
  • LogTrim 32 minutes ago
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  • ghssds 49 minutes ago
    And now a bunch of OSI-Approved licenses get to have special rules applied to them, entrenching them and killing further innovation.
    • greyface- 39 minutes ago
      The bill exempts:

      > a person or entity that distributes an operating system or application under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software

      which at least doesn't choose specific winners and losers among licenses. It does disfavor license-free and public domain software, which isn't great.

      • pritambaral 28 minutes ago
        > It does disfavor license-free and public domain software, which isn't great.

        Public domain software is free to "copy, redistribute, and modify", so ... where's the disfavour?

        • tancop 12 minutes ago
          Technically you could argue that public domain works don't have license terms that make them free so the exception can't apply. Only an ignorant or ultra literalist judge would see it that way but you never know.

          On the other hand a public domain dedication is a binding term that gives you permission (or license) to do what you want...

        • greyface- 16 minutes ago
          It only applies to software distributed under a license. Public domain software isn't distributed under a license. It's in the public domain; no license is needed.
          • thorbutt 10 minutes ago
            Can you name an OS that's licensed as public domain?
  • hardwaresofton 1 hour ago
    AGPL…?