11 comments

  • kylemaxwell 1 minute ago
    Every time somebody questions why you might "trust" AWS (or Azure or GCP or whatever), or why you'd pay this premium, I realize they are not accustomed to working in enterprise environments.

    In my case, I work at a large enterprise with strict data governance built into customer contracts, and (partly related, partly not) our own governance concerns. Using vendors where you not only have infosec permission, but they are also listed as data processors in our contracts with our customers is the way not to get fired and sued.

    If I'm playing around at home, with my own code and data, I can do whatever I want. But with my employer and customer? Absolutely not. It's the same reason we don't use whatever is the flavor of the month frontier model is.

    Side hustles and startups just have an entirely different set of constraints and considerations.

  • ykl 1 hour ago
    If you've used AI coding models in a large corporate setting, you'll know that a lot of big corporate deployments basically require using AWS Bedrock for two simple reasons:

    1. Large companies tend to already have an existing relationship with AWS, which makes things way easier to go through vs. setting up a new vendor relationship 2. Large companies tend to have strong internal requirements about making sure that internal data stays under company control. With AWS Bedrock, you can be a lot more confident that what you're feeding into the models is not going to end up in someone's training set somewhere. For where I work, this requirement is a dealbreaker for going directly through OpenAI's API instead of going through AWS Bedrock.

    • Eridrus 12 minutes ago
      To go a step further, the reason it's often impossible to add a new vendor if that you've signed a bunch of contracts with your customers saying you're not going to send their data to other vendors in all sorts of various flavors.
    • rho138 1 hour ago
      How is one certain bedrock data isn’t being shuttled to external providers?
      • jofzar 54 minutes ago
        What other people are saying, but also because Amazon does not want to fuck around in this space. They don't want the legal fight or the reputational damage that would come with it.
        • trollbridge 26 minutes ago
          They also don't really stand to benefit from doing so, unlike basically everyone else in this space.

          They have access to a ridiculous amount of private customer data and so far have not shown any predilection to misusing that access.

          • xingped 20 minutes ago
            To take an easy example that has actually had lawsuits I can link to, you must be unfamiliar with the lawsuits against Amazon for misusing sellers' data in order to undercut them with their own products... https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/13-bln-uk-lawsuit-acc...

            There's zero reason to "trust" Amazon about anything. (And yes, I know the retail and AWS sides of the company are different, but it's still the same company. The same rot is always there, just shuffled around.)

            • bijowo1676 12 minutes ago
              this is not related to AWS, but merely to amazon's retail business and their sellers know and sign up for the deal when they sell via amazon.

              every single retail company does this, they allow suppliers to sell the product using retails's infrastructure, and then retailer turns around and create private label products using sales data (Costco's Kirkland Signature, Walmart's Great Value, are just some examples)

              • fragmede 7 minutes ago
                Yes, but Kirkland's signature comes from the same factory. If I'm the factory owner and Costco vis going to guarantee me sales albeit at a slightly lower margin, so long as I slap a different sticker on it, that's different than from Amazon finding out which of my products sells best and then gets someone else to rip it off so I don't get paid anything.
      • 650REDHAIR 35 minutes ago
        Bezos and Altman pinky-promised and are super trustworthy.
        • SXX 5 minutes ago
          Bezos is not in AI gold rush. AWS is shovel rental.

          Also unlike Altman they are trustworthy - a lot of Amazon competitors do run on AWS for decades.

        • azinman2 10 minutes ago
          Seems like trusting AWS with your data has been a good bet for a long time. They wouldn’t have the size/scale otherwise.
      • nh2 30 minutes ago
        In contrast to Microsoft, OpenAI, and Anthropic, AWS has never done anything close to sneaking in unwanted training opt-outs after the fact.

        They are the only ones I trust not to do that so far. And their terms are extremely clear on that, no fuzzy language. Exactly what we want to see. So we use Bedrock.

      • cortesoft 58 minutes ago
        Contracts and the force of law?
        • ai_fry_ur_brain 53 minutes ago
          Which notoriously are always holding the largest corporations accountable /s
          • harrall 14 minutes ago
            Laws and rules don’t hold anyone accountable. Anyone can say anything and then break that trust the next second.

            Instead you trust your best friend because you have known them for 15 years and seen them in enough situations. It’s long term observation and predictability they ultimately gives trust.

            AWS has been around 20 years and has never once shown a sign that that they would sell customer data. Could they still try? Sure, in the same way they my friend who hates seafood his entire life could suddenly flip 180 and love it. Yeah I guess it’s possible.

          • SOLAR_FIELDS 36 minutes ago
            Actually yes, when it’s other huge corporations holding them accountable. It’s only when politicians who are much more cheaply bought get involved that creates problems. When the other side has a significant war chest to combat you with, suddenly behavior improves
          • ch4s3 28 minutes ago
            Any sufficiently large company will be prepared to fight this out in court where Amazon would eventually lose.
            • ai_fry_ur_brain 1 minute ago
              They own the courts. This government is completely captured by 20 companies, very similar to the early days of Nazi germany. All bets are off with a country filled with polticians and business leaders who are literally in the midst of a psychosis and think LLM development is an existential issue.

              Companies using AI should assume all their IP is being exfiltrated. I know for a fact this is happening.

      • avianlyric 55 minutes ago
        Contractual obligation, external third party audits, and above all, AWS’s reputation.

        AWS isn’t going to risk their reputation, and thus huge chunks of their business, just so a few AI labs can get some extra training data. That’s an insane risk with zero upside for AWS. AWS knows full well they will make insane quantities of cash without breaking legal contracts with companies who pay them billions each year for infra.

  • Aurornis 1 hour ago
    If you are wondering why anyone would spend more money to use these APIs through AWS instead of going direct: In some companies it’s nearly impossible to get new vendors approved. If the company has an AWS contract then you have to use what AWS offers.
    • powvans 56 minutes ago
      Even if you can get it approved you are adding surface area to your annual security audits, adding another vendor that needs to be disclosed on security assessments, spreading your data to yet another processor, and adding another invoice and budget discussion. Depending on your customer contracts you may need to notify them of a new vendor. This might trigger a new security review. Oh it’s just another model on Bedrock? Bliss.
  • iandanforth 4 minutes ago
    This is a great move for OpenAI and one that should worry Anthropic. Bedrock was the only way I could use foundation models for a while given AWS lock-in and security requirements.
  • 2001zhaozhao 21 minutes ago
    Good news for competition.

    Claude Code keeps omitting new features from people using it through Amazon Bedrock (e.g. auto mode, ultra plan, Claude for Chrome). Hopefully some more competition can get them to rethink their strategy.

  • AgentOrange1234 24 minutes ago
    This is great news. I wish they were keeping their other models updated. With Gemma 4 and Qwen 3.7 already available on OpenRouter, bedrock is just not keeping up at all.
  • phillipcarter 59 minutes ago
    Absolutely huge news for OpenAI. Unimaginable amount of enterprises picked up Claude just because it was available in AWS, and now there's serious competition.
  • _pdp_ 1 hour ago
    As usual the more options the better for everyone. While this is not a direct replacement it is good that it exists.
  • Automator666 22 minutes ago
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  • Handy-Man 1 hour ago
    More expensive than directly sourcing from OpenAI
    • easton 1 hour ago
      The AWS pricing page says 10% more than OpenAI, which is probably because they’re forcing all inference through the US and data residency is at a 10% premium from the model vendors for whatever reason (because you’ll pay for it).

      If they put in a global endpoint like with Claude (or OpenAI directly) then it’ll probably match the direct pricing, if the pattern holds.

      (https://aws.amazon.com/bedrock/pricing/, scroll to OpenAI)

      • cebert 38 minutes ago
        It’s even more expensive for GovCloud customers. We pay a 30% premium on top of that.
      • sokoloff 1 hour ago
        It also could be to provide room for enterprise discount pricing without it being money-losing for one of the companies.
        • yojo 43 minutes ago
          I have worked at places that have negotiated flat percentage discounts on all AWS spend.

          This explanation seems plausible to me.

    • BoredPositron 1 hour ago
      It's for people that can easily pump their AWS bill but not a new vendor.
  • chews 1 hour ago
    It's like OpenAI can't help themselves from failing hard.
    • hmartin 1 hour ago
      Wish I could fail hard enough to have a (nearly) $1T startup with some of both the smartest models and smartest people.
    • dzbarsky 1 hour ago
      Care to elaborate how OpenAI is failing in your opinion?